By the way people artilect has decided to engage me in arguement through private message.

He or She, im guessing a she, can not stand in the kitchen in fear of being burnt.

Anyone else offended by what ive said and would like to retort?

I think any country restricting its cultural boundaries to one culture or race should be considered as bad as the islamic countries where the hatred for non-muslims is open. Non-muslims aside, their hatred for non-arabs (including non arabic muslims) actually governs their policies. Sidewinder seems to be suggesting that Australia should be restricted to white people alone, this would only make Australia as bad as Saudi Arabia. The people would end up being just as isolated, bigoted and violent. Please do not attack me on this, I have been there, lived and worked there and I know what it is like.

But I fully understand Sidewinder's anguish and point (I am neither white nor was I born and raised in Australia). Australia is what it is today based on a core set of values and principles. Every country has them. If these basic values get eroded over time, the geographic and political Australia will continue to exist, but it will no longer be the nation it was envisioned to be by the founders. Again I agree with Sidewinder about not getting into the "aboriginals blood spilled" argument. Appalling as it was, it is over and it is time to move one. Australia today is what it is primarily because of the vision and work of predominantly white "european" settlers. They did come from various countries perhaps, with various backgrounds but they all adopted a common set of principles and values that lead to nation building.

It is my humble view that whoever comes to Australia must first strive to understand and accept those values and adopt them (if they have not already done so). Freedom of religion and all is fine, but it should not override the cultural foundation on which this nation was built. We do not see many people migrating to Somalia or Nigeria, or to that matter even powerfully growing economies like India or China. But we must accept that for whatever reason, Australia has succeeded in establishing a standard of life that surpasses the standards of hundreds of other countries, and this is in my view, a direct result of the vision and hard work of the founding fathers of this nation. Every culture has some rich values and wisdom, but people of some choose to live by them and that is what makes the difference.

My point is that when someone comes to Australia, they should first understand what makes this nation so great, and accept that they came here to give themselves a better life. True, they also contribute taxes and intelligence, but they did choose to make a move to this place because a lot of work has already been done. There is nothing wrong with Sidewinder being sentimentally being attached to something that was achieved after generations of hard work (though Sidewinder has taken it a couple of notches higher than most would like) and those of us who arrive here must respect that.

India and Britain have lately been overly favorable to the islamic community and in India the muslims have a separate law (like men can have 4 wives and need not pay alimony to divorces wives, no formal procedure for divorcing a spouse etc) and it sucks. There are many non-bailable arrest warrants issued by the supreme court against the Imam of New Delhi but no one has the guts to implement those warrants and arrest him. Thus the very laws passed by Parliament are openly flouted and it is only a matter of time before the system collapses.

Australia, USA etc have a much better standard of life because by and large, the majority of the people respect the law. They may disagree with it, but they accept it and their disagreement is expressed in a parliamentary way. When was the last time hordes of Australians ran amuck on the streets setting buses on fire, destroying public and private property, with a major political party openly supporting it and everyone going about their jobs the next day as if nothing happened? If people do not fight for the laws to be kept, then will Australia continue being as safe as it is today?

We must understand that Australia citizenship and/or residency is a privilege and an honor, something that we chose to accept over and above our citizenship by birth. So preserving its very basic principles and fighting for them is our moral and legal responsibility. But when we override them with the same practises and attitude that have prevented us from making our own countries worth sticking on to, then Australia will also take a downward turn.

Lets accept facts as facts. Many immigrants enjoy the benefits but never actually give back. They only fight for their rights to practise their culture but never realize that by doing so, they are overriding others'. The concept of "My freedom ends where my neighbor's nose begins" is totally forgotten. None of these can be good.

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I originally posted this thread to get information about a country that i feel i belong to, and want to move back to. I am an Australian by birth to Moroccan parents. To get these senseless rants from sidewinder is not what i was aiming for, Conservative/Right Wing morons are the reason i have become disillusioned by the United States and want to leave. The reason I posted this is to find out what sort of assistance i would get as a University student from the gov't? The medical benefits? And the overall attitude of Australians in this world that has changed so quickly in the last 7 years. I have met Aussies here that are full of life, and are all about having a good time. Thanks to all that have given positive responses, and any more information is welcome because it is a big decision and a big move for me to make. This is not an attack against you sidewinder, i just would rather this not stretch out any longer, so please spare me your comments. And always remember: "Arguing online is like running the special olympics: even if you win, you're still a retard...."

P.S. are there any big music festivals that take place in Australia, one where you camp out?? And what is the best city for a good art/music scene?

I am Australian by birth with a Greek and Egyptian Cultural heritage, so don't worry about it...

OK so as far as right wing morons like SideWinder are concerned just put him on your ignore list and his messages become invisible to you. Secondly my experience is that right wing morons are a minority in Sydney, which is probably the most metropolitan city in Australia, Melbourne is the most European cosmopolitan City in my opinion. If you want to come to Australia and get a career you are best to move to living on the eastern seaboard, this is where the best Universities are and most global companies have a headquarters in either Melbourne or Sydney.

If you immigrate to Australia and become a citizen then you are entitled to HECS which stands for Higher Education Contribution Scheme, and it is basically differing all your university fees to a no interest loan from the government that you begin to pay off through tax contributions after you start earning over $40,000 per annum. It doesn't come out of your wages, here in Australia your employer will make tax contributions for you automatically, the HECS will be deducted from these contributions.

As an Aussie you are automatically included in the Medicare health system which is sort of like a Government health insurance but it is free for public health requirements, if you want private health care you will need to get private health cover. The Medicare system allows you to purchase prescription medication on the PBS (Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) at a small percentage of the market value. For example I am taking medicine that costs Retail $200.00 for a months supply, if the medicine is under the PBS you get it for $30.00.

The Easterns Seaboard is where it is at for the music scene we have annual Music festivals and rock concerts that last for days. The live bands and events play every saturday night all over the city if your into that sort of thing. Other than night clubbing and live bands there isnt that much to do for people like me.

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You say you are dissillusioned by right-wing morons. But they are morons to you because they dont want to bow down to your mulatto wants and needs.

Dont expect Whites to bend over backwards for you. Whats happening here in Australia is happening in ALL White countries.

You people are so arrogant,rude and mindless you havent even bothered to ask yourselves 'why is it the White man is just handing his country over to the non-Whites of the world'? You seem to be so inept that you cant make a simple observation.

You then fall on Leftist-Nation-Destroying ideals as though they are a given. Which they are not!

Well of course you did. Like all non-Whites they just cant wait for all those benefits.
Its like i just said. The country youre in isnt bowing down to you enough and giving you what you want.

Well youre in luck mate because Australia bends to the needs of minorities like no other country.

Yes and that is directly correllated to how quickly large numbers of non-Whites are entering the country and how quickly state labour governments have managed to turn our states upside down. Aspecially NSW.

Well do us a favour and dont make that move.
The Australian government wants you here but my people dont.

Oh yeah here we go.
Just as i said in my previous post. Cant forget those benefits now can we.

Just typical. From one non-White to another, speaking of what Australia can do for you.Its the first thing non-Whites do is ask 'What can i get out of it?'.

PATHETIC!

You seemed to copy/paste my posting passage by passage and do a mediocre critic of it...fine! But if you are taking the time to do so, then you should at least be fair and quote the whole thing. For example, you left out a critical component of the thread: "Arguing online is like running the special olympics: even if you win, you're still a retard...." What's your take on that? You are border line psycho, and that is the nicest way of saying it. Seriously man: the copying/pasting of previous threads and the tone of your replies is really creepy. I gurarantee you that you don't get laid!! HAHA and What's funnier? No matter what your response is to this, i guarantee you that you really don't get laid...HAHAHA I'd like to see what someone like you hiding behind a computer screen looks like: i bet you're ugly, have no skill, and absolutely no charisma. And that might be why you are bitter, your unhappiness/not being succesful is to blame yourself for, and not people of other races. 'hope you have a wonderful day! And it's not your fault buddy...it's those damn foreigners!

Being able to reply to an arguement in such a manner is what this forum was designed for. Its the subject matter thats important.

A critical component?

The critical component of the thread is the addressing of the racial issues that my people face.

Bad judgement there matey.

Totally irrelevant to the arguement.

Im not bitter im angry. Thats how i feel when i see the corruption that is totally destroying my country. And that has alot to do with people of other races. We dont live in a multicultural society we live in a multiracial society.



Well at least you got something right. Well at least partially.



People like yourself can see what is happening to the White Race.

And it is obvious you dont care.

So why do you advocate the destruction of my race?

Moving on...Today a friend of mine was recommending Melbourne over Sydney. He said the art/music scene is much more happening than most other Australian cities. But while reading about Melbourne, it said that the public transport system is not that great, and that cars are a necessity to get around. What's is everyone's take on that? And is that information accurate?